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 Do you agree with Obama: marihuana is no more dangerous than alcohol
 yes 2 33%
 no 0 0%
 depends 3 50%
 they are equally dangerous 1 16%
 pffff 0 0%
Total votes: 6. This poll has been closed.


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HulaHoopJustPassingby

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I REALLY DO NOT KNOW

When Obama's "statement" started dancing on my computer screen I first thought: "What the hell is he saying now?"

Simultaneously, I gave in to my basic instincts and bad character. I posted it here as a poll, deliberately leaving out the "I do not know" option, so people would have to make a clear choice [smiley-angelic008].

Let me begin by saying I have no personal experience with marijuana or other illegal drugs. I have only tasted alcohol and tobacco in more or less average quantities. That means I was drunk as a lord on some occasions.

My opinion? There are so many ins and outs here, it is impossible to say that marijuana is more or less dangerous than alcohol. Maybe it is simply impossible to compare these two substances in terms of dangerousness.
During my psychiatric internships I have met YOUNG people who had developed psychosis as a consequence of marijuana abuse. That was the official diagnosis. Their cognitive functioning was poor. (Mind you, I am not talking about occasional or recreational users here, who can maintain a grip on their habits.)

Maybe these young people would have developed psychosis without marijuana too?

All professionals I have met are 100 % AGAINST marijuana. As usual scientific research does not offer clearer or more useful insights either. Possibly, the age at which one starts to use plays a role: the younger the user the more harm is done.
Many times marijuana abusers also (ab)use other drugs such as alcohol, heroin,...

Is legalizing the stuff a good idea? It will not change people's habits and cravings for getting stoned one way or another.


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michele

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"Simultaneously, I gave in to my basic instincts and bad character."[smiley-happy093]

Oh yes, such bad character you have Miss Passen. Lol. I'm working on an email for you [smiley-happy093]

(I like this little guy, he's so happy). Maybe too much to smoke? (KIDDING!!!)

I have to go. It's the first day of my writing class. Yay!


michele

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Hi Pamela,

No, I wasn't at all offended, and if I gave you that impression, I apologize. I just meant that we are all different and whatever leads someone to substance abuse, to go down that road, I feel bad for them. Many people can say it's that's person's fault because it's his/her choice (and I am not saying you, but I know many who feel this way) and I always say, but what led that person to make that choice in the first place? What is he/she missing in his life that he needs this? And in some cases it probably is just an over abuse greed thing, but in others there is more. That's all I meant.
HulaHoopJustPassingby

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Originally Posted by michele
"Simultaneously, I gave in to my basic instincts and bad character."[smiley-happy093]

Oh yes, such bad character you have Miss Passen. Lol. I'm working on an email for you [smiley-happy093]

(I like this little guy, he's so happy). Maybe too much to smoke? (KIDDING!!!)

I have to go. It's the first day of my writing class. Yay!




Yay! I am going to pick up my tickets for tonight's basketball game. We will probably lose this time, because we are playing against a Russian team in the second round of the Eurocup 2013-2014. It is unusual for a Belgian team to get this far.

http://www.bcoostende.be/games/tataren-absolute-europese-top-dario-gjergja-thierry-declercq/

No matter how you look at it, both winning and losing are legitimate reasons for getting drunk as a lord [smiley-happy093]. IF I have a late shift tomorrow. I still have to figure that out. The schedule has changed. When I left work yesterday, I was so stoned, I cannot remember what I read [smiley-happy093].


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Let me hijack this thread and suggest we look at it another way (other than just comparing it to alcohol). Maybe you think other people should be punished for doing something you don’t want to do. What should be penalty for that?

Take the case of Tommy Chong of Cheech & Chong fame. He was sentenced to nine months in prison, a $20,000 fine and forfeited another $120,000 in assets when he was arrested for selling pipes. They were pretty cool glass pipes that Tommy’s son Paris made, they looked like marbles. I’d like to have one just as a knick Knack. Tommy lent his name to the enterprise and put some money into it. According to his book, when he was arrested he was given the choice of pleading guilty or seeing his son charged. Tommy took the fall. This on a paraphernalia charge, not even possession of the drug itself.

So, the question is not just if marijuana should be illegal. The question is what the penalties should be. Current US Federal penalties are listed below (from the NORML web site). 

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Possession of marijuana is punishable by up to one year in jail and a minimum fine of $1,000 for a first conviction. For a second conviction, the penalties increase to a 15-day mandatory minimum sentence with a maximum of two years in prison and a fine of up to $2,500. Subsequent convictions carry a 90-day mandatory minimum sentence and a maximum of up to three years in prison and a fine of up to $5,000.

Distribution of a small amount of marijuana, for no remuneration, is treated as possession. Manufacture or distribution of less than 50 plants or 50 kilograms of marijuana is punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. For 50-99 plants or 50-99 kilograms the penalty increases not more than 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $1 million if an individual, $5 million if other than an individual for the first offense. Manufacture or distribution of 100-999 plants or 100-999 kilograms carries a penalty of 5 - 40 years in prison and a fine of $2-$5 Million. For 1000 plants or 1000 kilograms or more, the penalty increases to 10 years - life in prison and a fine of $4-$10 Million.

Distribution of greater than 5 grams of marijuana to a minor under the age of 21 doubles the possible penalties. Distribution within 1,000 feet of a school, playground, public housing or within 100 feet of a youth center,  public pool or video arcade also doubles the possible penalties.

The sale of paraphernalia is punishable by up to three years in prison.

The sentence of death can be carried out on a defendant who has been found guilty of manufacturing, importing or distributing a controlled substance if the act was committed as part of a continuing criminal enterprise – but only if the defendant is (1) the principal administrator, organizer, or leader of the enterprise or is one of several such principal administrators, organizers, or leaders, and (2) the quantity of the controlled substance is 60,000 kilograms or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of marijuana, or 60,000 or more marijuana plants, or the if the enterprise received more than $20 million in gross receipts during any 12-month period of its existence.

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