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 Do you agree with Obama: marihuana is no more dangerous than alcohol
 yes 2 33%
 no 0 0%
 depends 3 50%
 they are equally dangerous 1 16%
 pffff 0 0%
Total votes: 6. This poll has been closed.


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I'm worried some will get real stoned, then get out on the road driving and cause serious traffic accidents. Also it's reasonable to suspect some people will want to go on to harder drugs after experimenting with pot. That said, marijuana has  eased physical and emotional sufferings in some cases. Obama's statement sounds stupid because it's obvious alcohol can be very dangerous and destructive. "Pot is no more dangerous than alcohol"--alcohol can be quite a danger. If you're somewhere private and get high on pot that's not laced with hard drugs, and you just stay there and don't go out, and you can handle the changes which come over you from smoking pot, that's much less dangerous than a big drinking binge. Isn't it? In general, I don't approve of using mind-altering substances at all. I go through life "stone" cold sober, why can't they? Why can't they feel their own pain and endure it? You're stronger for it.


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 "I don't approve of using mind-altering substances at all. I go through life "stone" cold sober, why can't they? Why can't they feel their own pain and endure it? You're stronger for it."

I agree. I also got through life without leaning on substances to get through good & bad times ~ I also believe one is stronger for it. Our young people are not served well hearing celebrities constantly saying it's "cool" to get stoned or to drink ~ just to "relax" ~

Doing what you enjoy, laughter, music, can and should give BETTER "highs" ~ it's all in what you've learned ... and the youth are getting a really poor example from some who should know better, namely, that one in the White House. (I voted NOT to put him there, but that's another topic.)

Drugs, starting with marijuana, and, including alcohol, which also is a depressant, are dangerous, and, literally, poison to the body, are addicting, should not be touted as cool and continually joked about lightly, and dismissed as a minor problem, as many innocent lives as well, have been destroyed, as a result, when mixed with driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, whether hard or "soft."  Better not to start any of it ~ and it is a serious matter ~ and it starts with our children ... and we'd better care ... about our example, first! THEY do.

If, in the future, marijuana could be approved fully for medicinal use, hopefully, without the corrupting influence that plagues our drug industry, it can join the ranks of other helpful substances that are here to aid in healing and alleviating illness as it was intended. Otherwise, it should be left alone. Casual substance use is folly and a deadly path to tread. I've seen what it can do. Too many can already testify to this. Do we need to test it further with more tragedy? I know my heart's been broken enough by it. I don't know anyone whose lives haven't been touched by the same, even those who grew up without using have had family members killed or maimed by users.

When will we learn that use of these substances has no place in a sane, caring, & healthy existence, and it's NOT an ADULT behavior?  Choosing to drink or to get stoned is NOT adult behavior. (Hear that, adults? It is immature, childish, cowardly ~ wimping out ~ wussy, running away, passing the buck, literally "taking a powder." We need more who can stand up and face the music, instead, ~ to own up to what's been wrong with our lives, if anything, and like ourselves enough to want to make it right, not try to escape it with artificial substances.) Besides, parties are a lot more fun to remember that weren't fogged by substances ... (I come from a long line of joyfully sober partiers and have always found it sad that most don't get that one doesn't have to be drunk or stoned to relax and have a LOT of fun.)

Allowing our minds and bodies to be taken over by any substance gives something else control over us ... and that choice can be a deadly one, ultimately, for oneself, or another, in many ways. For some, that control may never be regained. For others, it will mean a life-long battle. Again, it's a road best not taken when one is young ~ and our example is the best we can give our youth ...


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I'm with Nicky in the I really don't know opinion.

I don't have an issue with smoking now and then, to be honest. I've had my share but I was always able to moderate it, in that if we were going to the pub (in University we did this a lot) I would prefer to smoke than drink. For me it just made me silly and giddy and I wanted to have fun and i didn't have a hangover. So I associate it with having a few drinks . . . and I don't see the harm. I never liked beer, they didn't have coolers when I was at that age, and wine wasn't what we drank. (The wine we could afford was deadly bad). I know many others that smoking puts them to sleep so . . . not much fun. 

But for me it was fun, and my biggest challenge was to control my munchies, which were unbelievable. I also have no issue with my girls doing it now and then, because if I did I would be a hyprocrite. It's been a while though, and frankly the stuff is much stronger today. I did not do stronger things, but Allan (my husband) his experience is a little different, which I'll get to.

Now, I did not smoke every day, just like I didn't drink every day. The difference with pot/hash/ (for me, anyway) is that I couldn't have a social smoke and not get stoned, like I can with a drink. Although I get drunk easily (we're talking one glass of wine, cheap date, lol) but I'm not a big person. My husband thinks it's pretty funny, and even my girls tease me. Not drunk, but I can feel it, especially if I haven't had anything to eat.

For those who have substance abuse problems, guys, don't be so hard on people. It's a gene and for some it's more of a challenge not to become addicted. So pot being legal . . . is it worse than alcohol or cigarettes, which, by the way, are the most addictive drug? 

What about in Amsterdam, do they have problems with the hash houses there? I don't know. Is it seedy or accepted? I think the hash houses are in the red light districts so it would be seedy.

The question of harder drugs . . . Allan saw a lot of things in his crowd before we met, but he smoked a lot more than I ever did. He saw the hard drugs, the heroine, etc, but didn't touch that. He did touch other things, though. And he's the one so against it now as far as the girls go, but he still likes a smoke now and then. But then, what makes someone go from drinking socially to becoming an alcoholic? People are getting addicted to cough syrup these days, are we supposed to take that off the market too? People get addicted to all kinds of things . . . but we can't monitor it all. 

On the other hand (I really am on the fence, here) do we need to legalize something that can potentially cause more problems, that we will have problems reining in once legalized? Might we not be better to leave well enough alone? It's not exactly hard to get if so desired, is it necessary to buy it at the corner store? Maybe not. And will smoking pot, mixed with tobacco, up the cigarette usage, which is worse than pot? Maybe.

I definitely do not think they should be putting people in jail who have substance abuse issues, these people need help, not jail. 

And that is my wimpy, sitting on the fence and not taking a stand, opinion.

So, Justpassen, what about you who posted the question? What say you?
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Yes, many can partake in moderation now and then, and control themselves. But then there are those who become addicted, having started out in moderation, but they turned out to have addictive personalities and/or "the gene," the predisposition which can be inherited.
What about the major "drug wars" spending billions on efforts to stop the growers, makers, sellers, distributors, etc., on attempts to eradicate the drug problem that way. Many argue to just go ahead and legalize everything and do away with those kinds of drug wars. So much violence has resulted, etc. And billions would be made to do good with from taxing the stuff. If everything's legalized  though, then you can well imagine a huge increase in addicts because the substances will be legal and easy to get. I know I jumped in here, but I just happened to think about that.
This issue, to understate, is a tremendous headache and head scratcher. How do you get the genie back in the bottle when the genie's been released already for eons. Similarly, how to do away with all guns, bombs, nukes, weapons when there are billions which have always been used ever since these were invented. And more weapons being manufactured all the time...
Drugs come from nature though, plants, I don't like to think of plants being destroyed. Cancer patients and those mortally wounded really need the morphine and heroin.
"Breaking Bad" which apparently was so very popular--the very idea of that show made me shudder and cringe, I despised and hated its subject matter, never saw that show but couldn't bear the thought of it.
Your thoughts on this matter were so interesting, Dusty and Michele, and everyone, I'll go back and re-read when I get time.

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My apologies if anyone thought I was "being hard" on anyone. It does become a matter of personal choice until one gives up one's choices by taking that first choice (that first drink, joint or that first hit. After that, it becomes less of one's choice than a demand of one's liver ~ and chemical dependence ... and social pressure ~ no matter what you tell yourself ~ as I said, you believe what you want to believe ~ the facts speak for themselves ~  Lives are destroyed by addiction.

"Legalizing" a substance isn't necessarily the answer. Alcohol is "legal." Yeah. Where did that get us? Problems all solved? No, not all. (Some, yes ~ those of prohibition ...)

As for addiction to cough medicine ~ depends on what one "drinks" cough medicine for ~ Personally, I don't "drink" cough medicine. If I ever take a dose of cough medicine, which is rare, I try to buy that which is alcohol free (because the taste of it makes me nauseous anyway), and try to follow the dosage on the label which is usually means not gulping it out of the bottle itself, but a dosage cup or spoon.

I've loved and lost persons of many types ~ unconditionally ~ without judging them, but seen a lot. I know what addiction can do ~ what it can take from individuals, couples, families, communities ... it diminishes trust, robs oneself of one's own spirit, understanding, hope, faith, and lives, one's own, and possibly, that of others ... don't be too hard on it? Why not? What is at stake? Our children ... how they view the need to have substances in their lives or their ability, the strength, to resist it and enjoy life without it ~ regardless of what "everybody else" is doing ~ peer pressure is a big deal but it's not a good enough reason to lose one's life. (Or is it?)

One can be gracious, and entirely social, without imbibing; any host or hostess who disagrees with this is not observing good hospitality. I've never felt obligated to join in because others were indulging but neither have I put others down for their ways unless they have been rude or offenses to me and even then have gone the extra mile to not take offense ~

Differences need not mean enmity. I do think that more understanding is possible, especially, where the futures of our children and grandchildren are involved and this matter is not an unimportant one. Again, I apologize if any are offended.

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