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TheFrenchGirl To Cecile, Je suis Française et je vis en France . J'ai vécu dans une banlieue HLM pendant 33 ans , je sais de quoi je parle . J'ai même été physiquement agressé par trois racailles ( pour reprendre les mots de Sarko ) , je me suis retrouvée aux urgences avec un poignet cassé , des cervicales bien bousillées et surtout un trés gros choc émotif . Pourquoi m'ont ils agressé ? j'ai juste entendu l'un d'eux dire " créve sale blanche de merde " . Tout cela pour dire que : 1) le racisme n'est pas à sens unique 2) dans les cités HLM, il n'y a pas que les étrangers qui sont pauvres , ils y a aussi beaucoup de Français de souche 3) Les gens en ont marre de supporter ces gens qui n'ont aucune envie de s'intégrer 4) Je précise aussi que dans mes proches , un de mes cousins est marié à une réunionnaise et un autre avec une sénégalaise et crois moi ou pas, elles tiennent les même propos que moi . 5) Surtout ne pas me dire que je suis raciste , je ne suis aucunement raciste , je dis ce que j'ai vécu et ça explique beaucoup de choses . Mais je suis quelqu'un de trés tolérant . Voilà, j'arrête le débat , et tu devrai faire de même Cecile . Bisous ^_^
I am French and I live in France. I lived in suburbs HLM during 33 years, I know what I speak. I physically was even attacked by three rabbles (to take again the words of Sarko), I found myself with the urgencies with a wrist broken, cervical botched well and especially one trés large emotive shock. Why did they attack me? I just intended one them to say “créve salts white shit”. All that for saying that: 1) racism is not with single direction 2) in cities HLM, there are not only the foreigners who are poor, they is also much French of stock 3) People have some to support enough these people who do not want any to be integrated 4) I also specify that in my close relations, one of my cousins are married with a réunionnaise and another with a sénégalaise and believe me or not, they make the same matter as me. 5) Especially not to say to me that I am racist, I am not racist at all, I say what I lived and that explains many things. But I am somebody of trés tolerant. Here, I stop the debate, and you will have to make of the same Cecile. Kisses ^_^
__________________ "People say she's crazy she's got diamonds on the soles of her shoes. Well, that's one way to lose these walkin' blues...diamonds on the soles of her shoes." Paul Simon
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bah alors, tu decides comme ca que le debat doit s'arretter? C'est pas tres democratique ca! Tu as peur d'avoir tort?
Je suis d accord avec toi sur le ras le bol mais le racisme pour moi n'est pas une question de "race". On peut l'etre avec celui qui est different de soi, c'est tout.
Je ne pense pas qu'on soit vraiment differentes dailleurs. Moi aussi je me suis faite agresser par ce qu'appelle Sarko la "racaille" et puis aussi recement par des flics. Je me suis aussi faite aider par des flics recemment et puis par des "arabes". La situation n'est pas aussi simpliste que Sarko le notoyeur veut bien le dire.
Je ne pense pas qu'il soit le plus a meme pour calmer le jeu, la preuve, la situation n'a jamais ete aussi tendue que maintenant et je crois que cela le rejouit cat il sait que gens qui flippent = vont voter pour moi. La politique, ce n'est pas comme un match de foot, comme les jeux du stade ou on met le pouce en bas quand on est pas contents. J'ose immaginer que nous sommes plus civilisés.
bah then, you decide as Ca that the debate owes arretter? It is not very democratic Ca! You are afraid to be wrong? I am D agreement with you on the dissatisfaction but racism for me is not a question of “race”. One can be it with that which is different from oneself, it is all. I do not think that one is really different dailleurs. Me also I was made attack by what Sarko calls the “rabble” and then also recement by cops. I was also made help by cops recently and then by “Arabic”. The situation is not as simplistic as Sarko the notoyor wants to say it well. I do not think that it is more has same to calm the play, the proof, the situation forever also tended only now and I believe that that delights it cat it knows that people who flippent = will vote for me. The policy, it is not like a match of foot, like the plays of the stage or one puts the inch in bottom when one is not content. I dare immaginer that we are civilized.
Last two were also put through the translator to help those of us who ne parle pas la langue Francais. __________________ "People say she's crazy she's got diamonds on the soles of her shoes. Well, that's one way to lose these walkin' blues...diamonds on the soles of her shoes." Paul Simon
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I think the first translated better. Anyway, on the subject of racism, we are all subject to our own subjective reality. Objectively speaking, I lived with a black man for ten years and called his family my own. And frankly, when we broke up, it had nothing to do with race. I have known wonderful people of color, and also, a man of color stole the battery in my car and left me stranded with two small children on a side of our town where mine and my children's faces were the only white faces I saw all day. Did that "color" my opinion of all black men because one black man did me wrong? Would it have, had it been a violent attack instead of a material one?
We try to view politics objectively, but practically speaking, we are all in our own subjective realities. That is the nature of humanity. That is why we have the problems we have. Only by looking outside ourselves at the ways we are both alike and different, and looking within to see we share the spirit which is man, or the Son of God Himself is that which will eventually lead to Peace on Earth. If we do not believe, it most assuredely will not happen. __________________ "People say she's crazy she's got diamonds on the soles of her shoes. Well, that's one way to lose these walkin' blues...diamonds on the soles of her shoes." Paul Simon
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Me, a narrow-minded person ?
Je prefere en rire qu'en pleurer ! Hi Harriet ! what's up ? J'en ai marre de parler politique surtout ici . Franchement, on verra bien le 22 Avril , et puis basta ! de toute manière, la France sera encore et toujours dans la merde quoi qu'il arrive . Les traductions sont pas terribles sur Google !
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okay laugh away french girl You say that you don't want to talk politics but you have responded to me. Too late ! You say yourself that your personal experience was influencing your vote. William Karel great peace of journalism started with Georges Bush being in whatever high university and he said in front of all students "hey guys, some of you are great students,i congratulate them. Some others are bad and i tell them that they can become president of the usa ". Everybody was laughing and obviously it worked because we have entered unfortunately a different time regarding politics and everything: to be recognised, you have to assimilate yourself to population's mass feelings. Pathetic real TV man (Dominique Ambiel) was a prime minister adviser (of previous prime minister JP Raffarin)! It means that the power now is to TV people and communication has replaced political action. It is as well real TV revolution : to be recognised socially and else you have to be seen on TV. If you suffer from something but your problem does not sale for TV your problem does not exist. In people’s conversation “we” (le “on” en français) is assimilated to “what is on TV” . If somebody says to me “if it was true we would know about it”. This persons means : it would be on TV. That is how Bush is sending troops without being questionned around Iran just by owning the media and then nobody knows or seem to care about it. You can have great journalist/solicitor work written but as it is not TV, it is not valued or true. “la face karchee de Sarkozy” has been made by very smart journalists and solicitor to avoid Sarkozy attacking the book. SO Everything in it is true otherwise Sarkozy would have attacked it. Just read that stuff and tell me you still want to vote for the man. The most efficient button for mass manipulation is fear. If the population is scared of something just saying that you are scared of the same thing, it works even if you failed as a politician. Watch fareigneit 9 11 and you will have a tiny advance on what is happening in France now. If you say to the population that paedophiles are naughty, majority of mothers will vote for you by assimilating you to their kids potential saver. We have entered an era where when sometimes 50% of a population is watching the same TV program at the same time and it is valued as you even have programs talking about the percentage of people watching the same thing (audimat). You have as well an increasing number of TV programs talking about TV programs and TV people (in french we say that "the snake is eating his tale"). Via this mad uniformity never met I’d say in human history , It is very easy to know which button to press. Hitler or Stalin or else could not have dreamed of a whole population watching at the same time the same programs. I really think that people are loosing their capacity of thinking by themselves just by watching TV (see the eyes of a person watching TV : dead look…). I know what i am talking about. Since i have stopped watching TV i see things i would never have realised otherwise. People's reality is what they see on their screen, it is their " opium". If I am traumatised because having been attacked by suburban population, i am going to the police to make a claim to help the police arresting the bad guys . The thing is that Sarkozy as a minister of police was preventing people from making claims as it was bad for his statistics. Voting for Sarkozy because he reassures me as he says that he want to clean the suburbs is not going to make you feel better i can assure you (see nowadays situation).Sarkozy is giving credit to the population who have attacked you by constantly talking about the population in question. By doing that he is increasing the amount of these people and I’d say he is very happy about it. Sarkozy is infantilising political debate in France as he is not an adult himself : see how he is not capable of dealing with his nerves with journalists lately like a 5 years old who has been caught by stealing cash from his mum’s wallet…. Do You want to give to that man the power of handling nuclear power? Don’t you find sick that nearly none of the candidates talk really about their political projects but just if it is good or not to pay a metro ticket? Don’t you find sick that Sarkozy said openly that we are genetically born violent/paedophile or else? Do you realise that even Hitler did not dare to say that openly? If he is elected, i hope you won't be part of his "cleaning plan".If you accept anybody being part of his "cleaning plan" you accept it for yourself. It makes me think about a Lenin say “they will sale us the rope we will hang them with”. I think that it is some French politician view. Sorry if you felt insulted by me though, I am quite sensitive on the subject for the moment and maybe should go councelling myself : I must make up the fact for instance that the police of my country have attacked me as I wanted their help but i am not scared and hopeless as i trust in ourselves. __________________ ambition is the refuge of failure (Oscar Wilde)